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We’ve all been there. Usually, sometime after turkey and before the game starts, when the uncomfortable silence starts to descend upon a living room full of people who want to believe they know each other better than they really do, we ask the question, “How’s work going?” Because hey, we’re family, and we’re desperate to pretend we have a handle on or even care about what our second cousins do for a living. Also, we don’t really know what else to talk about. The most common response is “good,” followed by an excruciating 20-second pause before some innocuous detail is thrown in to either shut the conversation down or open the door for more meaningful interaction.

I am advocating for the latter and here to show you the way. Here are some quick pointers that can help you make conversations about work with your family just a little bit less awkward.

It’s nauseating. I lose track of the times each week someone sends me an article, podcast, or book recommendation with a new productivity hack. It is the new buzz topic for entrepreneurs. Somehow thrown around more often than “pitch deck,” “vertical,” or “multiple.” Wake up early? Of course. Meditate? Duh. Exercise? Peloton seven days a week, hello! Or how about the varied approaches to mapping out the week? To-do list? Todoist. Calendar? Calend.ly. Project Management? Asana (well, at least till they go public and lose their “grit”). Or how about what we put in our bodies? Beverages? White tea. Food? Intermittent fasting, err… not eating. Drugs? Not going there.

I could go on and probably so could you. I appreciate the old souls out there committed to pen and paper. Although, even for the homely there is a wave of “productivity journals” taking over full of gratitude lists and top three this and that. It is no wonder the world is on fire. We’ve got so much junk to burn.